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&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;(20:55:05) Skylar Thompson: You know what we could do with gen_stating?&lt;br /&gt;
(20:55:15) Skylar Thompson:  /stating/staging&lt;br /&gt;
(20:55:22) Kevo: umm, no, but I have a feeling you&amp;#039;re going to tell me?&lt;br /&gt;
(20:55:36) Skylar Thompson: Yup.&lt;br /&gt;
(20:55:36) Kevo: (and a final slash ;) )&lt;br /&gt;
(20:56:10) Skylar Thompson: How would you feel about executing mksingularity at the end of gen_staging, instead of just prompting for it?&lt;br /&gt;
(20:56:29) Skylar Thompson: I guess you&amp;#039;re not guarenteed to want to generate an ISO right off the bat, but an option might be nice.&lt;br /&gt;
(20:56:43) Kevo: actually, I thought about that, but I&amp;#039;m not ready to do that yet.&lt;br /&gt;
(20:56:51) Skylar Thompson: This&amp;#039;ll let people without much experience take a BCCD and our changes, and only have to execute one script to make the liberation ISO.&lt;br /&gt;
(20:56:54) Kevo: Specifically because of the stripping business&lt;br /&gt;
(20:57:02) Kevo: that makes sense&lt;br /&gt;
(20:57:06) Kevo: then we should have some optinos&lt;br /&gt;
(20:57:31) Kevo: let the dead simple script run without any options do the standard thing,&lt;br /&gt;
(20:57:38) Kevo: one of the options could be to stop at stages&lt;br /&gt;
(20:57:40) Kevo: okay&lt;br /&gt;
(20:57:56) Kevo: I like the idea&lt;br /&gt;
(20:58:08) Skylar Thompson: Yeah.&lt;br /&gt;
(20:58:42) Skylar Thompson: It&amp;#039;s not really clear to me how the end product is going to be distributed, but it could just be a CVS checkout from us, a stock BCCD ISO from UNI, and some documentation on what to do with them.&lt;br /&gt;
(20:59:14) Kevo: yeah, that&amp;#039;s my thinking too&lt;br /&gt;
(20:59:26) Kevo: I&amp;#039;m not sure where this is going, so I&amp;#039;m sort of just developing for myself&lt;br /&gt;
(20:59:34) Kevo: and making sure to keep up with documentation as best as I can&lt;br /&gt;
(21:00:01) Kevo: it occurs to me&lt;br /&gt;
(21:00:23) Kevo: after having committed the permissions changing of the group thing (g=u. ..)&lt;br /&gt;
(21:00:39) Kevo: that that is only helpful to you and me because we are developing on the same machine&lt;br /&gt;
(21:01:07) Skylar Thompson: Right.&lt;br /&gt;
(21:01:09) Kevo: meaning we can write and copy files without having to sudo all the time&lt;br /&gt;
(21:01:15) Kevo: I don&amp;#039;t know why I got so into it then&lt;br /&gt;
(21:01:16) Skylar Thompson: So maybe we should have a separate permission cleanup script for our own uses?&lt;br /&gt;
(21:01:24) Kevo: that would make more sense, yes&lt;br /&gt;
(21:01:28) Kevo: much more&lt;br /&gt;
(21:01:34) Kevo: no&lt;br /&gt;
(21:01:37) Kevo: actually no&lt;br /&gt;
(21:01:38) Skylar Thompson: It is very useful for us, because we both need write access to the same files, but we don&amp;#039;t want to f&amp;#039;ing up the permissions within the BCCD.&lt;br /&gt;
(21:01:48) Kevo: if we&amp;#039;re going to package this up for others&lt;br /&gt;
(21:01:52) Skylar Thompson: Your script does that, whereas mine was more indiscriminate.&lt;br /&gt;
(21:02:13) Kevo: it&amp;#039;s likely that someone else will be developing in pairs as well&lt;br /&gt;
(21:02:19) Kevo: so we should leave the option in&lt;br /&gt;
(21:02:24) Kevo: if we&amp;#039;re going to make a big script&lt;br /&gt;
(21:02:27) Kevo: and include it in the options&lt;br /&gt;
(21:02:53) Kevo: very much more, if we start coalescing these scripts, we should either really start to functionalize the bash, or I&amp;#039;d suggest moving to Perl&lt;br /&gt;
(21:03:19) Kevo: we&amp;#039;re kind of just ragtagging it now to make it work, yes?&lt;br /&gt;
(21:03:43) Kevo: what do you think?&lt;br /&gt;
(21:04:19) Kevo: I seem to have lost you . . .&lt;br /&gt;
(21:04:27) Skylar Thompson: Perl might not be a bad idea.&lt;br /&gt;
(21:04:46) Skylar Thompson: I think we&amp;#039;re both more familiar with Perl than bash, and it&amp;#039;s more powerful anyways.&lt;br /&gt;
(21:05:22) Skylar Thompson: Sorry about the delays; I&amp;#039;m playing Freeciv with my girlfriend while doing BCCD stuff. :)&lt;br /&gt;
(21:05:32) Kevo: well, power is relative.  I just discovered that you can do regular expressions natively in bash, and it has a host of tools sort of built into&lt;br /&gt;
(21:05:33) Kevo: haha&lt;br /&gt;
(21:05:51) Kevo: but I can get with the fact the we&amp;#039;re stronger with perl&lt;br /&gt;
(21:06:05) Kevo: and it&amp;#039;s guaranteed at least to be on our development environments and that of the BCCD&lt;br /&gt;
(21:06:26) Kevo: I think we can start with something like that next Wednesday night&lt;br /&gt;
(21:06:47) Kevo: I&amp;#039;m about to pooh out because I&amp;#039;ve got a history paper to start writing.  I&amp;#039;m likely to bow out for the rest of the week.&lt;br /&gt;
(21:06:57) Skylar Thompson: Yeah.&lt;br /&gt;
(21:06:59) Skylar Thompson: That works for me.&lt;br /&gt;
(21:07:07) Skylar Thompson: Good luck on that paper.&lt;br /&gt;
(21:07:19) Kevo: Thanks.  I&amp;#039;m going to post this conversation to the notes, k?&lt;br /&gt;
(21:08:28) Skylar Thompson: Sounds good.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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